Well as I started this thread, I feel it would be remiss of me not to report back
i have continued my research, and have found a very comprehensiive and in depth debate on the David Icke forum. ( yes David Icke, so shoot me down in flames,) But the thread has run over many years and contains some very interesting comments for and against.
I am sure you are familiar with the phaze " if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" but I look forward to further commentating on this thread, when I feel confident in my research.
i apologise to the forum owner if my mentioning a debate on an other forum has broken any house rules.
The Rebel